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librislove
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Post by librislove »

This is Gandalf, at the Council of Elrond.
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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Post by marbretherese »

Close, librislove, but it's not Gandalf :wink:
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back.
But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy."


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Post by Philipa »

It was Elrond if I remember correctly.
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Post by marbretherese »

that's right, Philipa - your turn!
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back.
But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy."


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Post by Philipa »

:-k

"Thus we meet again, though all the hosts of Mordor lay between us..."

:D
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Post by librislove »

This time I looked it up, instead of relying on memory :roll: --Aragorn says this to Eomer at the end of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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Post by Philipa »

librislove wrote:This time I looked it up, instead of relying on memory :roll: --Aragorn says this to Eomer at the end of the Battle of the Pelennor Fields.
Oh good...I stumped even you! :lol: Well played your turn.
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Post by librislove »

No,no--I meant I missed the last one because I thought I knew it, and did not look it up--and I should have known better. Believe me, I don't know all the quotes from memory! :shock: My LOTR is right next to the computer. :D Quote will follow later, folks!
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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Post by librislove »

Variations on "Don't be afraid," occur many times in LOTR--but whose utterance of "Fear not!" completely changes the way he is perceived?
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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Post by Merry »

I'm doing this from memory, librislove, but I think this is Aragorn, paddling through the Argonath. There are several of these transfigurations in LOTR; it would be interesting to collect them all!
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Post by librislove »

Good on ya, Merry! I once did a bit of research into this concept, which occurs with Aragorn several times, with Gandalf, and with Frodo as well--I'm sure there are others. In the case of Aragorn at least, it seems to be part of the mythos of the hero. Your turn. :D
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Post by Merry »

While I'm trying to find our next quote, let me ask you this: do you think Galadriel's big morph-out falls into the same category?
Sing and be glad, all ye children of the West,
for your King shall come again,
and he shall dwell among you
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Post by librislove »

Good question--her change certainly seems opposite to that of Aragorn and Gandalf, but akin to what happens to Frodo at the Crack of Doom--hmmm.
I'll have to think... :twisted: now see what you've done!
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Post by Merry »

Now don't get carried away, librislove! :wink:

I think Galadriel's 'event' was very much like Gandalf's at Bag End with Bilbo.
Sing and be glad, all ye children of the West,
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Post by librislove »

I hadn't thought of that aspect....but it rings true.
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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