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Post by Lindariel »

Here's my entry. Riv, I sent you an e-mail about a potential illustration. I leave the ultimate decision to you.

Elvenking’s host leaves Mirkwood. Thorin hears news.

We last left Thorin & Co. encamped in the old look-out post at the South-West corner of the Mountain and peering anxiously across the surrounding countryside for any clue to the whereabouts of the marauding Smaug. At length they spy many birds gathering, but no further news of the dragon reaches them as night falls. All through the night they keep at least one on watch, but the morning only brings more birds, among them the harsh cry of carrion crows.

Suddenly, Bilbo spies the thrush once again, glad to see that the old bird had escaped from Smaug’s destruction of the mountainside. He flies straight to the party and sings to them most urgently, but no one can understand him. Balin wishes fervently that the bird was a raven, because of old there had been great friendship between the dwarves of the Mountain and the ravens that resided upon the top of the very look-out post Thorin & Co. are currently using for shelter, which had been named Ravenhill in their honor. Balin recalls the “wise and famous” raven Carc and his wife and tells Bilbo that the ravens had brought them news and carried messages in exchange for bright objects “they coveted to hide in their dwellings.”

Once again, The Professor displays for us both his knowledge of the flora and fauna of his native England, where the raven flourishes, and ties to his “mythology for England” a potent symbol associated with the ancient Norse God Odin. The following quote is taken from the Encyclopedia Britannica On-Line:
Odin was called the Raven God. He had a throne, Hlidskjalf, in a watchtower in the heavenly realm of Asgard, from which he could see anything that happened in the nine worlds of the universe, and nothing escaped his gaze. Odin would sit on this lofty throne with two ravens, Huginn (Thought) and Muninn (Memory), perched on his shoulders. He sent these birds out into the world each day, and they would return to whisper in his ear everything they had seen.
The thrush suddenly departs with a loud call and shortly returns with a “most decrepit old bird” who proves to be none other than Roäc, son of Carc. He is ancient indeed, it being 153 years since he came “out of the egg”! From Roäc, Thorin & Co. learn that Smaug is dead, thanks to the knowledge of the old thrush (“may his feathers never fall”), who witnessed the deed. But Roäc also bears news that the Elvenking and his host are on the way, having heard of the death of the dragon. In addition, the Lake men who have lost lives and homes to Smaug’s rampage are also on the way, seeking “amends from your treasure whether you are alive or dead.” Roäc tells Thorin of Bard the Bowman, whose daring shot killed the dragon, calling him “a grim man but true” and expressing his hope that there will be peace once more among the dwarves, men, and elves “after the long desolation.”

But Thorin, deeply caught up by treasure sickness, has no ear for peace, and desires only to secure the treasure to himself and his folk, “. . . none of our gold shall thieves take or the violent carry off while we are alive.” He asks Roäc to send messengers to Thorin’s kin in the north, but most especially to his cousin Dain in the Iron Hills, asking them to send a well-armed, fast-traveling fighting force to his aid.

Old Roäc seems unhappy to hear such war-like words, but agrees to help nonetheless. And Bilbo? Well, with the death of the dragon, the Tookish side of him is taking a well-deserved breather, and the practical, business-like Baggins nature emerges once again. He is concerned about how little food they have left and feels that, with the death of the dragon and the achievement of the treasure, his part in this business has been completed. Little does he know that his most important task – one that will require all of his ingenuity and generosity of spirit – is yet ahead of him.
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November 6 entry.

Post by librislove »

Here you are Riv Res--perhaps the Laketown illustration for this?

NOVEMBER 6: THE ELVES REACH LAKETOWN; DAIN RECEIVES THORIN'S SUMMONS

The stage is being set for the foolish battle Thorin's intransigence promises. The Elven King, whom we know from LOTR is Thranduil, father of Legolas, arrives in Laketown with his host. This stop is in fact a detour for the Elves, who had planned to march straight to the Lonely Mountain. But as Thranduil is the lord of a good and kindly people, he cannot turn his back on Laketown's need. He brings provisions and artisans for the rebuilding, and rekindles hope and purpose in the Laketowners. This is the first time in Tolkien's legendarium that we see the Elves cast in the role of saviors to Men--a part they would play many times in the history of Middle Earth.

But this is just a peaceful interlude, and soon the Elves continue their march to the mountain, with Laketown's army in tow. At the same time, Dain of the Iron Mountains receives Thorin's message from the ravens, and begins his forced march to aid his kinsman. He will find the Elves and the Laketowners already there, along with an unforseen enemy who will threaten to destroy them all.
Many live who deserve death; some die who deserve life--can you give it to them, Frodo? Do not be so quick to deal out death in judgment. Even the wisest cannot see all ends.
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Post by Merry »

Things are really happening quickly here--just like those few days in the LOTR calendar. librislove, does the word 'Thranduil' even appear in the Hobbit? If not, it's interesting that Tolkien would not give him a name, since he is so in love with names, isn't it?
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Post by librislove »

No--as far as I know, Thranduil does not appear as a name in The Hobbit--it's one of those thing you figure out later after LOTR. It is strange he is not named--do you think that might have been one of the things that got left out when the revisions were made to bring the books more in line? :?
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Post by Iolanthe »

I noticed the same thing when I wrote my Nov 4th piece. I initially called him Thranduil, then realised on checking that Tolkien never names him but only calls him the Elven King. Interesting - I suppose giving him a name only became important when writing LotR and was either overlooked in the revision or he didn't think it was important for the story, although most kids would make the connection. I suspect it was overlooked given how much Tolkien loved names and details.
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Post by Lindariel »

Iolanthe, do you suppose that it only became important for the Elvenking to have a name once Tolkien realized that he was the father of Legolas? Remember, The Hobbit did not originally start out as a tale that was part of the larger mythology. But since the Professor was always subconsciously working on that great story, somehow The Hobbit grafted itself into the tale.
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Post by Merry »

It still seems strange to me. I mean, this is the guy who gave names to 13 dwarves! I wonder if 'Elvenking' was some kind of archetype to him, a type that appears in lots of fairy stories, and that was more important than a name?
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Post by Iolanthe »

I think from a kids persepective, yes. The Elven King features in lots of myths and fairytales and is hardly ever named (though Oberon springs to mind) - usually he is the 'one and only', the King of Fairyland, and doesn't need a name to identify him. So kids would be happy with Elven King. Equally they'd expect the dwarves to be named, I suppose, because they are companions in the story - like the ones in Snow White which also came out in 1937 (though I'm not sure which came out first!).

But to answer Lindariel's question, I reckon that being Leggy's dad could have been a deciding factor. But - were the Mirkwood elves in the larger mythology before The Hobbit or after? I think some digging is in order...

'Heigh ho, Heigh ho, it's off to work we go' :lol: .
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Post by marbretherese »

Here's the entry for November 15th. Riv, I'm not sure that any of the pictures are suitable for this entry so will leave it to you to choose one or leave it un-illustrated, as you prefer:

November 15: the joint forces reach Dale at dusk

The dwarves, having fortified their position ready for a confrontation, are now faced with the reality: a large company of lake-men and wood-elves are setting up camp in Dale. An advance party sent to reconnoitre the dwarves’ defences is surprised to find the wall and the pool which they have constructed; when Thorin challenges them in his capacity as “King Under the Mountain” (his grandfather Thror’s title), they do not respond, returning instead to their tents. Soon afterwards, Bilbo and the dwarves hear them making sweet elvish music:

“Then Bilbo longed to escape from the dark fortress and to go down and join the mirth and feasting by the fires. Some of the younger dwarves were moved in their hearts, too, and they muttered that they wished things had fallen out otherwise and that they might welcome such folk as friends; but Thorin scowled.”

To squash this (entirely natural) instinct for peace and to remind the dwarves of the differences between them and their perceived enemies, Thorin retaliates by having them make music of their own. The metre and verse structure of their song matches that of the one the dwarves sang to Bilbo in Chapter One, but the words are far more forbidding. The earlier song encouraged the dwarves to set out on their quest; this one is preparing them for war. You can almost hear the beat of the military drum; the tone is defiant and proud, as though a fight has already been won.

The line “The dwarves no more shall suffer wrong” reminds us that Thorin is not simply reacting to recent events - his strong sense of injustice goes back generations to the time when Smaug first captured the gold and destroyed Dale. Whatever the claims of the Elven-King and the lake-men may be, Thorin does not appear to be in the mood to listen, and Bilbo is very apprehensive indeed that tomorrow the conflict will move beyond making music . . .
"Torment in the dark was the danger that I feared, and it did not hold me back.
But I would not have come, had I known the danger of light and joy."


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Post by Riv Res »

I have a PM out to elentarivarda about the 11-12 entry. We'll see if se can catch up on that one. :wink:
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Post by Merry »

Nice post, marbretherese! As I've said before, I apparently have read The Hobbit much too quickly--the Music Wars that you describe escaped my attention entirely. Nice catch!
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Post by marbretherese »

It's amazing what you can find if you look hard enough, isn't it? It's only through doing the calendar that I've studied The Hobbit in any depth at all. And to think I originally thought there was very little to it apart from an inventive children's tale! :oops:
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Post by Iolanthe »

This has made me go back and read the poem again, and, you're right, you can hear the drums beating through it. I love Tolkien for the way he makes music such a part of his stories - to calm, to distract, to force out fear, to remember home, to stir up the blood to battle (think of the Ents marching!). Nowadays we do a lot of listening to music, but much less making music (although several of us here do, of course).
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Post by elentarivarda »

Greetings everyone!

I want to apologize for not getting my entry done this time and not being around for a while.

My cousin was killed in a car accident this past week and it's been a weird, busy, stressful week.

I'm sorry that this didn't get finished! I'll post my entry as soon as possible today. :)
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Post by Merry »

Take your time, e-varda; real life always takes precedence. My condolences for your loss.
Sing and be glad, all ye children of the West,
for your King shall come again,
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all the days of your life.
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