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Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 8:46 pm
by Lindariel
According to the Encyclopedia of Arda:
Drugs -- One of many names used for a race known to the Elves as Drúedain, or to later generations of Men as 'Woses'. The name Drûgs was used in Brethil in the First Age, where a uniquely close relationship developed between these people and the Folk of Haleth, the Edain that inhabited that forest region. It comes ultimately from their own name for themselves, though the correct plural form in their own language would be Drughu.
Also:
Woses -- A name among the Rohirrim for the shy, secretive people known in Elvish as the Drúedain. Though never populous, the end of the Third Age saw these people reduced to a few populations in the southern parts of Middle-earth, especially in the Drúwaith Iaur and Drúadan Forest of Rohan, where the Rohirrim came into contact with them.
In fact, the word 'wose' is a name from British folklore, referring to a hairy, troll-like being supposed to inhabit woods and forests. It represents Tolkien's translation of an actual word of the Rohirrim into ancient English; the Rohirrim themselves would not have called such a creature a 'wose', but a róg.
Our friend Ghan-buri-ghan was one of these people.
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:10 pm
by Philipa
Well Lindariel you can't easily argue with the EoA.

It's your turn.
Posted: Mon Dec 19, 2005 10:50 pm
by Lindariel
OK -- here's a Level 2 question.
Why is the term "Half-Elven" less than adequate to describe Master Elrond of Imladris?
Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:51 am
by Varda
Elrond has quite a 'family tree' so to speak~ from the Edain he is descendant of Turor and Beren, from the Elves, not only Nimloth and Thingol, but also
Elenwë ( wife of Turgon) and Finwë~first high king of the Noldor. His lineage can also be traced back to Melian, a Maiar. SO it looks like the elven tree wins out!!!

Posted: Tue Dec 20, 2005 3:04 pm
by Lindariel
Well done, Varda!
Here's the full run-down of Elrond's lineage from the Encyclopedia of Arda:
Though he is known as 'Half-elven', Elrond's lineage is much more complicated than that title suggests. He could claim descent from all the main branches of the Eldar, each of the Three Houses of the Edain, and even from the Maiar. To be completely correct, he was slightly more than half-elven: actually nine sixteenths of his ancestors were Elves. A full breakdown of his descent works out like this:
Three eighths Edain, through two lines: his grandfather Tuor of the House of Hador, and his great-grandfather Beren of the House of Bëor. He was also descended from the third House of the Edain, the Haladin, through Tuor's grandmother Hareth.
Five sixteenths Sindar, again through two lines: his grandmother Nimloth and his great-great-grandfather Thingol.
Five thirty-seconds Vanyar, through his great-grandmother Elenwë, and also through his great-great-great-grandmother, Indis the second wife of Finwë.
Three thirty-seconds Noldor, through his great-grandfather, Turgon (who himself had only three-quarters Noldorin blood).
One sixteenth Maiar, through his great-great-grandmother Melian.
Half-elven is indeed a very inadequate description of Elrond's descent!
Posted: Wed Dec 21, 2005 7:39 pm
by Philipa
The holidays are taking us away from Middle-earth. I'm sure Varda will join us soon.

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:21 am
by Varda
Give me a day until school is out for Christmas...my brain is so fried right now!!!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 3:21 am
by Varda
Give me a day until school is out for Christmas...my brain is so fried right now!!!
AND THIS DOUBLE POST IS THE PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!

Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2005 1:31 pm
by Philipa

Take your time Varda. Here you are waiting for school to end to get your sanity back and I'm sitting here thinking tomorrow when school is out I lose mine.

Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2006 2:26 pm
by Philipa
Methinks Varda has been sucked up by the holiday gremlins...who hasn't?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:18 am
by Merry
The gremlins have let me go, so in honor of hope, who has received Fonstad's atlas for Christmas, here is a level 1 geography question: What is the name of the river that runs from Erebor to the Sea of Rhun?
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 3:55 am
by Riv Res
Merry wrote:The gremlins have let me go, so in honor of hope, who has received Fonstad's atlas for Christmas, here is a level 1 geography question: What is the name of the river that runs from Erebor to the Sea of Rhun?
Merry, it is the River Celduin (River Running).
While we are on a geography roll...

...what is the English/Elvish name for the Land of Wines?
Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:09 pm
by Merry
It Is the River Running, Riv Res. Do you think my question might have contained a clue?
Sonoma?

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 6:18 pm
by Riv Res
Merry wrote:It Is the River Running, Riv Res. Do you think my question might have contained a clue?
The clue came in handy indeed.
Sonoma?

Well...the wines for the Elven King Thranduil came from this region. I would imagine that some of the grape varieties were Sonoma...but the region was named differently.

Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:38 pm
by Philipa
Ah that's easy...Napa.