The Children of Húrin

The New Book "The Children of Húrin" Edited by Christopher Tolkien
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Iolanthe wrote:Most of what I've read has been very positive but I read a review in a newspaper that made me incandescent with rage.

I think Lee's illustration style is perfect for this tale and the one of Húrin before Morgoth is outstanding.
Let me know which newspaper, Iolanthe!

And the illustration you mention is amazing, definitely my favourite!!
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Just picked a copy up myself. I was shocked to see how small it was. I had envisioned it to be the size of the other magnificient tomes of Tolkien but ney, tis a small bugger. :lol:
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It's not a long story, that's true!

JaneT sent me a good review from the Washington Post
The Return of the King
A new novel from the creator of Middle Earth.

Reviewed by Elizabeth Hand
Sunday, April 22, 2007


THE CHILDREN OF HÚRIN

By J.R.R. Tolkien



If anyone still labors under the delusion that J.R.R. Tolkien was a writer of twee fantasies for children, this novel should set them straight. A bleak, darkly beautiful tale played out against the background of the First Age of Tolkien's Middle Earth, The Children of Húrin possesses the mythic resonance and grim sense of inexorable fate found in Greek tragedy.

According to Christopher Tolkien, J.R.R. Tolkien's son and literary executor, The Children of Húrin had its genesis in a tale penned by his father in 1919. Tolkien obsessively wrote and rewrote stories over the course of his long life, and slightly variant tellings of this tale have previously appeared in several of his other works. But this is its first stand-alone publication, incorporating all the various versions and attendant fragments into a seamless whole. Does it warrant the attention of readers other than Tolkien purists?

Absolutely. Even casual readers, as well as fans of Peter Jackson's phenomenally successful film adaptation, will find their experience of Middle Earth considerably enriched by this new volume, which also features superb illustrations (both color and black-and-white) by Alan Lee.

The Children of Húrin takes place 6,000 years before the Council of Elrond (a pivotal event in The Lord of the Rings), as Christopher Tolkien points out in his useful introduction. Its setting is not your great-great-grandfather's Middle Earth, but the forests and mountains of Beleriand, a country that was drowned, like Atlantis, eons before various Bagginses and their ilk populated the Shire.

There are no hobbits in The Children of Húrin. The primary players are Men, Elves, Orcs, a few Dwarves, Morgoth (the original Dark Lord -- Sauron was his most powerful lieutenant), and Glaurung, "father of dragons," who ranks with the monstrous spider Shelob as one of Tolkien's most terrifying creations. For centuries, Men and Elves have been engaged in a mostly losing battle against Morgoth's forces, whose members -- Orcs but also Men known as Easterlings -- resemble marauding Vikings more than the crude, slightly cartoonish regiments depicted in The Lord of the Rings. More than any other Tolkien work, The Children of Húrin evokes the Scandinavian and Anglo-Saxon epics that Tolkien loved and studied and taught and emulated. Its central protagonist, Túrin, is one of the most complex characters in all Middle Earth, a tormented, brooding anti-hero who bears hallmarks of a sword-wielding Heathcliff.

Shortly after the book opens, Túrin's father, Lord Húrin the Steadfast, has been imprisoned by Morgoth following a doomed campaign mounted by Elves and Men. In the battle's aftermath, the 9-year-old Túrin and his pregnant mother, Morwen, barely manage to escape becoming thralls of the Easterlings. At Morwen's urging, the boy flees to a hidden Elvish kingdom where he finds sanctuary. His sister is born not long after.

Túrin grows to manhood among the Elves, whose king treats him as a foster son, giving him a dragon-crested helm that is an heirloom of Túrin's forebears. Such treatment, along with Túrin's sternly aloof, even haughty, demeanor, causes resentment among some of the Elves. One of these detractors goads Túrin, then waylays him, and Túrin inadvertently causes his attacker's death. Out of shame and remorse, but also pride, Túrin leaves the kingdom before learning he has been pardoned. He joins forces with a group of outlaws and in short order becomes their leader, mustering them against the Orcs.

The House of Húrin matches that of Atreus in curses coming home to roost upon doomed and sometimes innocent family members. Readers looking for happy endings will find none in this book. Instead, there is grand, epic storytelling and a reminder, if one was needed, of Tolkien's genius in creating an imaginary world that both reflects and deepens a sense of our own mythic past, the now-forgotten battles and legends that gave birth to the Aeneid, the Old Testament, the Oresteia, the Elder Eddas and the Mabinogion, Beowulf and Paradise Lost.

Years from now, when our present day is as remote from men and women (or cyborgs) as the events of the First Age were to the Council of Elrond, people may still tell tales out of Middle Earth. If so, The Children of Húrin will be one of them.

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This is a terrific article, isn't it - the reviewer obviously knows her Tolkien and has made the background and the plot of the book both concise and accessible without giving away the ending. It would make me want to read it whether I was a Tolkien fan or not! :clapping:
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Have been more or less broke :( since my trip to Berlin for the LOTR exhibition :caffeine: , so I haven't been able to order Children of Húrin until now. It isn't available :shock: in Swedish bookshops, it seems, tried several in big cities on Saturday. Can't wait. :caffeine:
Found the BBC video ten days ago, but wasn't able to see it until yesterday. :roll: At a friend's house, she reprimanded me :roll: for drooling over Alan Lee's appearance (am only allowed drooling over VM :lol: ), so I will try and watch the BBC video once again in private. :wink:
As soon as I have seen those illustrations I will try and be brave enough to write to Mr Lee and ask him some questions. Hope 8-(: (all fingers and toes crossed) I can still find him in cyberspace.
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I'm looking forward to receiving my copy as well. I'm hoping that a more fleshed-out telling of this story will warm me more to Turin. I have a hard time sympathizing with him as a hero/anti-hero because he is SO brash, arrogant, and headstrong and so often is the author of his own woes by refusing to accept good advice. Calling him a "sword-wielding Heathcliff" seems oddly appropriate!
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:lol: Lindariel that was quite humorous but I have to tell you...he's the same old Turin as in the Sil. I kind of agree with you though...he doesn't seem to be the most endearing fellow. I look at it as though he is the product of his time.
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He is hard to like. Didn't we have a long discussion somewhere about whether he is or isn't the architect of his own Doom? His own personality works against him and for Morgoth's vengeance at every turn. I wanted to shake him reading his story in The Lost Tales. But I found trying to read the parallel bits in The Sil very frustrating - it will be good to have it 'whole' and concentrate on it properly.

I'm betting I won't like him any better at the end of it though. He's a true anti-hero.
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:lol: I'd forgotten by the time he's in Nargothrond for a week he's changed his and Anglachel's name several times. :lol: :roll:
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Post by Merry »

Well, I've finished CoH. It's a hard book to love, I guess. I don't think I'll be recommending it to anyone who isn't a diehard Tolkien lover. I guess what we're seeing here is a young Tolkien struggling to find his niche and his voice.

I wonder if he is trying to test out theories about freedom and fate. As you said, Iolanthe, Turin is not exactly a victim of things totally out of his control. I'd like to look through Garth's book again to see if he connects anything from WWI with these stories.

I don't find myself liking anyone in the stories except Beleg: what a great character!
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I've just realised that I meant The Unfinished Tales not The Lost Tales in my post above. Too many Tales :lol: .

Yep - I like Beleg too and I was very shocked by his end the first time I read it. I enjoyed the story of Turin very much in UT and the Sil, it is raw and rather high falutin' in it's language but it's a powerful study of fate. I think you're right, Merry, Tolkien was testing out 'theories about freedom and fate'. I must start The Children of Hurin soon and get properly into the story in its uninterrupted form and see if I still feel the same way about it.

There is an interesting link on TORn that shows the book's a bestseller in the US, selling over 900,000 copies there and taking booksellers by surprise:

Can Hurin knock Harry off his broom?

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Thanks to the wet holiday weekend I'm now about halfway through CoH. I've always thought it's main disadvantage is that because it forms part of the underlying mythology of LoTR, it hasn't got the same richness or depth of characterisation. And, as I can't warm to Turin, I can't "get into it" in the same way!

I do wish reviewers wouldn't bracket CoH with Harry Potter. HP is primarily aimed at children, although the stories have become darker, and adults enjoy them too. CoH is definitely not a children's book!
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Good point. They shouldn't be bracketed together, especially for this book! I bet that there have been a lot of children who have bought Cof H, or been bought it, though.

I'd love to know that they make of it. I know Tolkien was convinced that children love a good story especially if it's not dumbed down for them, but this book is written in a difficult style and he certainly didn't write it with them in mind. It would be interesting to know, wouldn't it?
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Iolanthe wrote:I've just realised that I meant The Unfinished Tales not The Lost Tales in my post above. Too many Tales :lol: .

Yep - I like Beleg too and I was very shocked by his end the first time I read it. I enjoyed the story of Turin very much in UT and the Sil, it is raw and rather high falutin' in it's language but it's a powerful study of fate. I think you're right, Merry, Tolkien was testing out 'theories about freedom and fate'. I must start The Children of Hurin soon and get properly into the story in its uninterrupted form and see if I still feel the same way about it.

There is an interesting link on TORn that shows the book's a bestseller in the US, selling over 900,000 copies there and taking booksellers by surprise:

Can Hurin knock Harry off his broom?

© The Orlando Sentinel

Children of Húrin has been No. 1 on the lists of English fiction in Swedish bookshops for a while now and right before release it topped HP in presales. :D The translation won't come until autumn, but I doubt there is a real need for it. People, who are interested in Tolkien, buy and read the English version. :? OK, there might be some old fans, who haven't learnt much English in school.
I've read CoH in small portions over the last weeks and just have the last pages left. Though I have looked at them several times, without reading them properly. :oops: To be honest I have tried to read v-e-r-y s-l-o-w-l-y, so as not to come to the end :cry: , which I remember from Unfinished Tales. I admit that Túrin is annoying and that a lot of characters aren't properly fleshed out, the story a bit thin as well, not strange, since this was a work in progress. Sometimes the language isn't beautiful enough either, a bit rough around the edges and too simple, but what has kept me going, reading and reading, not wanting to stop, but still stopping, reluctantly, in order to keep a lot of the book for later, is an overall feeling of a lost world, a mysterious, cold, primitive world. And still perfectly recognizable and familiar. :roll: I have wandered around in Beleriand and so on for weeks, under trees, along rivers, up hills, into cosy caves and inviting halls with fireplaces and simply don't want to leave the place :lol: , although Morgoth and Glaurung seem to be running the establishment. :wink: OK, so what is it with Tolkien, that makes you feel that ME is just a distant past and a completely real thing? :dizzy: Somehow I feel like I'm there all the time, it's just that I don't always want to read more, I'd prefer to take off in another direction and go exploring. :lol: If you understand what I'm saying. Nature descriptions aren't that detailed, but still there is presence in every moment. I have no idea how he did it. :-s
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Beren writes: Maybe that is why i dislike the third PJ movie so much... all that remains there is fighting and war; while the books so clearly show Tolkien's dislike against war, violence and anything to do with arms.


I respect your veiw regarding the above, Beren, but in his defence, Peter Jackson had compiled the film for people who did not know about the books. PJ and the two other writers of the film actually took into consideration what the Professor would think of their work and how best they could be true to the spirit of the book. They didn't change things willy-nilly and for the ratings. In proof you should buy the extended version dvd's and watch the 'behind the scenes' segments. PJ and the writers share their reasoning for the changes made. I am actually thankful to PJ for leading me to Tolkien.
Coming back to your comment above, I put this question to you: knowing the pure evil that Sauron was, was there any other way, realistically, to save Middle Earth?
My argument has two segments.
Firstly, as someone who did not know the story, during the first, second and third films, Sauron was established as someone that was evil, hatred and malice in a solid form. For one of the characters to go to him and say something along the lines of: "lets be friends" and both of them kiss and make up with Sauron becoming a "goodie" after that, would not give much credibility to his character, and many would leave the cinema disappointed and never pick up the book. Its the same as smiling at an axe murderer about to kill you, give him a hug and say:"lets be friends". It's just plain unrealistic. If someone is about to kill you, you would, realistically, fight back to save yourself, and that realism is what Peter Jackson was trying to portray. Yes, there was a huge battle at the end, but just go back to the book and see how many orcs the Roherem and Gondorian armies were trying to save Minas Tirith from. It makes Helms Deep look like a walk in the park. In order to save Minas Tirith, there would need to be an equal force against the mighty force of Mordor, plus, I feel, a miracle.

Secondly, what would have been the point if Frodo succeeded in destroying the ring and hence distroying Sauron if there were no people left in Middle Earth? The fighting in all of Lord of the Rings is seen as completely functional. Kill or be killed. Defend or be completely wiped out. It was not a blood-thirsty bunch of men out to have fun, it was about pure and utter survival. The dwarves had taken a knock in the mines of Moria thanks to the goblins, the elves had mostly left for Valanor and the Followers (us) would have been wiped out as well as the Hobbits in Hobbiton if Aragorn and his group, the Roherem and the Gondorians hadnt put there feet down and plainly and simply defended.

Tolkien fought in a war that didn't have much meaning, I mean what started it? A Austrian-Hungarian Archduke got shot and the suspected country was attacked. And thousands of Britains died to keep the peace in Europe. [/quote]It was a meaningless war (unlike the 2nd world war that fought against the oppression of a nation). I think that Tolkien saw the meaningless of the war of world war 1 that his friends and other fellow countrymen had died for and in his book portrayed a war much more meaningful - survival of good and the survival of life.

Saying this, I would just like to ask again: was there realistically any other way to save Middle Earth from the might of Mordor and Isengard (with Saruman's Uruk hai)? If there is, I would love you to share it with me.

This is my veiw and you or anyone is welcome to disagree.

I look forward to any comments.
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